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Ida (English Subtitled)

jan peczkis|Friday, July 28, 2017

This gloomy movie is more than the story of IDA—a prospective Catholic nun who learns that she is of Jewish background. It is also a vehicle for reinforcing pro-Jewish stereotypes about Poles. And I thought that Hollywood (and other western-based film-making outlets) are supposed to be careful about not perpetuating stereotypes. Evidently not—at least when the Polish UNTERMENSCHEN are involved.


Did IDA win the Oscar solely because of the acting therein, or did the desire to increase the anti-Polish impact of IDA also play a part in the decision?

In any case, the unpleasant aspects of Polish-Jewish relations do not reduce to the standard Judeocentric dialectic of the Jewish victim and the villainous Catholic Pole, as exemplified by IDA. For details, see the comments under the review.

As for those who object to Poles objecting to this distortion of their history, and call them nationalists, I have this message: Poles are not whipping boys for all manner of Jewish pretensions. Sorry. Help other customers find the most helpful reviews  Was this review helpful to you? Yes No Report abuse | Permalink
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Last edited by the author on Jul 24, 2017, 8:41:52 AM PDT Jan Peczkis says: ________________POLISH ANTI-SEMITISM: THE UNTOLD STORY_____________

Was there a black-and-white history of the Polish villain and the Jewish victim? Hardly. As a start, click on the links below and read my detailed reviews.

I. Not long after the Partitions of Poland, which erased Poland off Europe's map (1795-1918), most local Jews sided with Poland's foreign rulers, notably during Polish battles for independence:

History of the Jews in Russia and Poland: From the Earliest Times Until the Present Day

II. Jews generally were hostile to the prospect of the resurrection of the Polish state--out of an arguably-narrow self-interest. A newly-reconstructed Polish nation-state would disrupt the geographical continuity of the Jewish "nation-within-nation" in tsarist Russia, and would hinder the movements of Jewish commerce:

The Tragedy of a Generation: The Rise and Fall of Jewish Nationalism in Eastern Europe

III. Many "anti-Semitic" themes (e. g, the Jew as the perpetual “Other”), for which Poles nowadays are selectively blamed, were also widely held by respectable Jews:

Jewish People, Yiddish Nation: Noah Prylucki and the Folkists in Poland

IV. Centuries of economic privileges had essentially made Jews an economic overclass over Poles. Both the nobility and peasantry had been made dependent upon Jews. In time, all this led to Polish efforts to "take Poland back" from the Jews. Even then, the AVERAGE Jew remained better off than the average Pole:

From Serfdom to Self-Government: Memoirs of a Polish Village Mayor, 1842-1927

Social and Political History of the Jews in Poland 1919-1939 (New Babylon: Studies in the Social Sciences)

V. As Polish independence was finally becoming reality (1918), local Jews generally sided with Germany over the contested territories of western Poland:

The White Eagle of Poland

On the Eve: The Jews of Europe Before the Second World War

VI. As Poland was being resurrected, the local Jews, with the undisguised support of international Jewry, attempted to detach the eastern city of Bialystok from Poland, and make it part of Lithuania or Russia, or even a mini Jewish state:

Jewish Bialystok and Its Diaspora (The Modern Jewish Experience)

VII. The so-called Minorities Treaty, being forced on the new Polish state by international Jewish pressure, was not about the Jewish rights of a religious and cultural minority--something that Poland's Jews already freely had. It was all about creating expansive separate-nation rights of Jews on Polish soil:

The Jews and minority rights (1898-1919) (Studies in history, economics, and public law, no. 384)

VIII. Finally, the old religious-based antagonisms did not come only from Poland's Catholicism (e. g, deicide). The unmistakable racism that is part of the Jewish religion was also a cause:

Jewish Identity in Early Rabbinic Writings (Arbeiten Zur Geschichte Des Antiken Judentums Und Des Urchristentums, Vol 23)
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3 of 4 people think this post adds to the discussion. Do you?  Yes No Posted on Jul 24, 2017, 8:48:55 AM PDT Jan Peczkis says: .
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SOME LITTLE-KNOWN FACTS ON POLISH-JEWISH RELATIONS

Did Jewish financial actions generate short-term profits and long-term antagonisms?
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(I). The Jewish Economic Hegemony Over Poland Led to the Exploitation of Poles, and Definitely Prevented Poles From Improving Their Lot:
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The Nation in the Village: The Genesis of Peasant National Identity in Austrian Poland, 1848-1914

Ludwik Hirszfeld: The Story of One Life (Rochester Studies in Medical History)

The Polish Jew, his social and economic value

Przez druty, kraty i kajdany: Wspomnienia partyzanta NSZ (Polish Edition)

From Serfdom to Self-Government: Memoirs of a Polish Village Mayor, 1842-1927

A World Problem, Jews, Poland, Humanity: A Psychological And Historical Study, Part 1 (1920)
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(II). The “Unbeatability” Of Jewish Economic Privilege--From a Jewish Viewpoint:
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Polin, Volume Seventeen - The Shtetl: Myth and Reality (Studies in Polish Jewry)
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(III). No Inevitable Polish “Intolerance” of Minority Groups. The Armenians Were Unswervingly Loyal to Poland, and Thereby Enjoyed Centuries of True Equality With Poles. They Were Allowed to Own Land and Hold Political Office:
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Thoughts of a Polish Jew: To Kasieńka from Grandpa (Jews of Poland)
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(IV). The Blood-Libel In Reverse: Jews Taught That Gypsies Steal Jewish Children:
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Bialystok to Birkenau

Life is With People : The Culture of the Shtetl

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4 of 5 people think this post adds to the discussion. Do you?  Yes No Posted on Jul 24, 2017, 7:50:16 PM PDT D M. Zamoyski says: Thank you Jan for your succinct but accurate review of that totally biased film IDA. Yes, it was tailor-made for use against Poles and Poland. Interesting initial plot vehicle to start with, then descends into Polonia-bashing with absolutely NO historical context given. Truly blatant anti-Polonism, with zero explanations for the millions of people outside of Poland who will have no idea about the dire threats to Poles from the Germans, especially if a Pole were caught helping/hiding/feeding a Jew - it meant death for that Pole, and his family, and sometimes even the entire village. IDA has few, if any, redeeming qualities. Reply to this post Permalink | Report abuse
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Last edited by the author on Jul 24, 2017, 8:27:27 PM PDT Jan Peczkis says: .
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My pleasure.

Indeed.

IDA is anti-Polish propaganda, pure and simple.

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LOOTING, GRAVE ROBBERY, PROPERTY TRANSFERS: COMMON WAR-RELATED EVENTS, AND NOT THE JAN T. GROSS MYTHOLOGIZED “POLES DID IT TO JEWS”

(Click on the following links, and read my detailed reviews):

I. MYTH: Poles “got rich” from post-Jewish property: FACT: There was a desperate housing shortage in Poland caused by the devastation of WWII. Poles were in no position to allow unused post-Jewish properties to stand vacant.

I Saw Poland Betrayed. American Opinion Reprint

II. If Poles "inheriting" the property of murdered Jews is robbery, then Jews "inheriting" the property of earlier-murdered Jews is also robbery.

Gone To Pitchipoi: A Boy's Desperate Fight For Survival In Wartime (Jews of Poland).

III. Wartime Lawlessness: Poles robbed Jewish graves. Big deal. Jewish grave-robbers robbed the Jewish dead:

In the Warsaw Ghetto 1940 - 1943 an Account of a Witness the Memoirs of Stanislaw Adler.

IV. Polish grave-robbers also robbed the Polish dead. Hilary Minc, a very high-ranking Jew in the Soviet-imposed Communist puppet government of post-WWII Poland, was the architect of the mass expropriation of both Jewish and Polish property:

In Search Of A Lost People: The Old And New Poland.

V. Poles looted Jews. Big deal. Jewish looters commonly looted Jewish property:

To Speak for the Silenced.

The Jews of Bialystok During World War II and the Holocaust.

VI. No “picking” on Jews. Polish looters also commonly looted Polish property:

Red Shadow: A Physician's Memoir of the Soviet Occupation of Eastern Poland, 1944-1956.

VII. If Poles are a nation of thieves, then so are the Jews. In the 1948 War, Jewish military and civilians systematically looted Palestinian Arabs:

1949: The First Israelis.

VIII. The looting of property, by both Poles and Jews, is an unremarkable outcome of the brutalities of six years of Nazi German occupation:

I Saw The New Poland.

IX. For more facts on looting and property acquisition, in wartime and post-war Poland, see:

Golden Harvest or Hearts of Gold? Studies on the Wartime Fate of Poles and Jews.
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Not only Jews lost property! Did you know that 50 million people were made homeless by WWII? See my review of HOW WAS IT POSSIBLE? by Peter Hayes.

Read the lucid accounts of two postwar Poles who, out of desperate poverty, had engaged in “gold digging” in the ashes of Auschwitz-Birkenau. See my review of Laurence Rees. 2005. AUSCHWITZ: A NEW HISTORY.
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3 of 4 people think this post adds to the discussion. Do you?  Yes No Posted on Jul 24, 2017, 8:28:00 PM PDT Jan Peczkis says: .
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JEDWABNE—POLISH GUILT PROVED? NO!

HERE ARE SOME JEWISH TESTIMONIES, OUTSIDE OF POLAND, THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED AWAY AS DRIVEN BY FEAR. THEY POINT TO THE GERMANS, AND NOT THE POLES, AS THE MAIN KILLERS OF JEDWABNE'S JEWS

See p. 384 of the BOOK OF KEHILAT OSTROLENKA. The article therein is titled "My Sisters Tell", and is authored by Hone Holcman of Argentina:

http://www.jewishgen.org/yizkor/ostrolenk a1/ost371.html#Page382

Deliverance: The Diary of Michael Maik, a True Story

The Warriors (Religion, Theology and the Holocaust)

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(II). THE INVESTIGATIVE POLISH IPN COMMISSION LEFT THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BARN-BURNING OF JEWS AN OPEN QUESTION (DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE ENGLISH-LANGUAGE ABSTRACT):

"The testimonies varied and none of the participants or witnesses could have included all of what had occurred. AS A RESULT, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE CONCLUSIVELY JUST WHAT THE GERMAN ROLE ACTUALLY WAS IN THAT LAST, MOST TRAGIC PHASE--THE BURNING ALIVE OF JEDWABNE'S JEWISH RESIDENTS IN THE BARN. The sources present contradictory and imprecise descriptions of the Germans' behavior, and historians' assessments also vary greatly." (WOKOL JEDWABNEGO, Volume 1, p. 491; emphasis added.)

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